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 Post subject: How not to do a takeover
PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:20 am 
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Taken from the MEN :

Imagine that Sheikh Mansour had swept into City in 2008 and declared: “This is a new club with no history.”

In this nightmare scenario, he abolished the sky blue colours, changed the club name to Manchester Etihad and banned anyone, who dared to protest.

There truly would have been a Blue revolution, though not of the kind which the Abu Dhabi group’s more sensitive takeover has effected.

Spare a thought, then, for traditional fans of Salzburg, against whom the Blues kick off their Europa League group campaign in Austria tomorrow night.

For that is precisely what happened to their club five years ago, when proud old SV Austria Salzburg, who had been knocking around for 72 years and had won three Austrian league titles and reached the 1994 Uefa Cup final, found itself being bought.

New owner Dietrich Mateschitz – the billionaire owner of energy drink company Red Bull – went into the club with all the delicacy and sensitivity of a red bull in a china shop.

A club which traditionally played in violet and white was ‘re-branded’ Red Bull Salzburg, had its colours changed to the corporate colours of red and white, and the badge changed to the Red Bull motif.

It was part of Red Bull’s drive to associate their brand name with sports franchises – they also bought up New York Metro Stars, clubs in Germany and Brazil and two motor racing teams, re-naming them all.

Salzburg fans who dared to protest were banned from the stadium, their objections dismissed as ‘kindergarten stuff’, and the club website declared the club was founded in 2005, rubbing out its entire history.

Banners, flags and drums were banned, and replaced with a choreographed ‘matchday experience’ of laser shows, celebrity kick-offs and It’s A Knockout-style entertainment.

The beautiful Austrian town, most famous as the birthplace of Mozart and the setting of The Sound Of Music, was suddenly alive with the sound of dissent.

Traditionalist fans set up the Violett-Weiss initiative to campaign against Red Bull’s attempts to eradicate their history.

They received minimal support from the Austrian FA, who merely insisted the “Founded in 2005” claim be removed from the website.

But other fans were seduced by Mateschitz’s promise of a 30m euros budget, which he claimed would make Salzburg a major European force within three to five years. City fans can relate to the temptation of that kind of promise!

The fans split into two camps, the red-whites who accepted the changes, and the violet-whites, who eventually set up their own club – SV Austria Salzburg – in the seventh division of Austrian football.

They have achieved four successive promotions and now play in the third division. But Red Bull Salzburg ploughed on regardless, and the promise of riches and success and the Americanisation of the ‘matchday experience’ doubled attendances. Still, the average 14,000 crowds tend to rattle around inside the 32,000 capacity Red Bull Arena.

Italian manager Giovanni Trappatoni was drafted in, with Germany legend Lothar Matthaus as his assistant, and they won the Austrian Bundesliga title at the first attempt.

Trappatoni left halfway through the following season to take over the reins of the Republic of Ireland, and in came experienced Dutch manager Co Adriaanse, who won the title the following year and then cleared off to manage in Qatar.

He was succeeded by another Dutchman, Huub Stevens, who knows all about Nigel de Jong, Vincent Kompany and Jerome Boateng – he managed them at Hamburg.

Stevens made it three titles in four years, but the European superpower status Matechitz promised failed to materialise. In four attempts, Salzburg, who are forced to drop the Red Bull name in European competition due to UEFA rules on commercialism, have failed to reach the group stages of the Champions League.

The latest failure came last month, when they lost 2-3 at home to Hapoel Tel Aviv before drawing the return leg. Any dreams Salzburg fans might have had about a City-style player recruitment drive also fell short of expectation.

They brought in Germany internationals Thomas Linke and Alexander Zickler from Bayern Munich, but that only brought domestic success, and both have now left.

The team is now based largely around Austrian internationals Franz Schiemer, Jakob Jantscher and Roman Wallner but they have had a poor start to the season.

But City cannot afford any complacency. Last season Salzburg proved their credentials at this level by winning all six Europa League group games, beating Lazio, Villarreal and Levski Sofia home and away.

Unbelievable. Especially the bit about putting "formed 2005" on the website.:(


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Dietrich Mateschitz sounds like a c*nt.


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I really don't think that would happen in England. Be a massive uproar. Even if it was spurs I'd probably protest against that erasion of history.

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Danny's Studs wrote:
I really don't think that would happen in England. Be a massive uproar. Even if it was spurs I'd probably protest against that erasion of history.


Probably wouldn't happen to one of the top clubs but possibly to a Stoke/Fulham/Bolton type. I wouldn't rule much out the way football is going.


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Danny's Studs wrote:
I really don't think that would happen in England. Be a massive uproar. Even if it was spurs I'd probably protest against that erasion of history.


What about the MK Dons?

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What about the MK Dons?


Bit different, they were broke and had no one to fund it. They basically folded and kind of re-invented themselves in the thinnest of similar guise as MK Dons.

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Danny's Studs wrote:
Bit different, they were broke and had no one to fund it. They basically folded and kind of re-invented themselves in the thinnest of similar guise as MK Dons.


True, but they did move the club to another part of the country, change the name and then get into a fight with the "new" Wimbledon team over who was entitled to include the FA Cup win as part of their history.

Other clubs have gone tits up and this hasn't happened.

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Didn't know this about our upcoming opposition. Thank christ our takeover has been sympathetic (for now at least). I didn't think anything would stop me supporting city but this mist definitely would

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slart wrote:
True, but they did move the club to another part of the country, change the name and then get into a fight with the "new" Wimbledon team over who was entitled to include the FA Cup win as part of their history.

Other clubs have gone tits up and this hasn't happened.


Much the same as happened at Salzburg, apart from the bit about them going bust.


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Frank owning our club did piss me off. I really thought he'd drive us out of existance. The "Forward With Franny" fuck up was trying as well.

The current owners are working for the benefit of the club.

I'd always support the club. Owners shouldn't really come into it.

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Maybe they could buy United and rename them Red Rag Bullshit?
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I Heart Lung wrote:
Maybe they could buy United and rename them Red Rag Bullshit?
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You can't help wondering who will stump up for the Scum though?

Almost certain they won't find owners as rich as ours or as sensible.


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I Heart Lung wrote:
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You can't help wondering who will stump up for the Scum though?

Almost certain they won't find owners as rich as ours or as sensible.


I suspect it will end up the "Red Knights" once the banks force the Glazier's to sell. Can't see them backing the Scum the same way our owner's have backed us.


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Our Tommy wrote:
I suspect it will end up the "Red Knights" once the banks force the Glazier's to sell. Can't see them backing the Scum the same way our owner's have backed us.


I reckon you're right.

RBS have taken effective control at Liverpool now and it can't be long before the same happens at the swamp.

Red Knights will be first in line for a fire sale and probably the most "fit and proper" too.

The new rules on finances appear to favour them as well, so a lack of investment funds may not be an issue as owners like ours may have to stop pouring money in or accept they don't qualify for the Champion's League.
I'm still unconvinced that this can or will apply mind.

The problem with the Red Knights is that they are a consortium of blokes with big wallets and even bigger egos. They'll be fighting like cats and dogs within a year.


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I Heart Lung wrote:
I reckon you're right.

RBS have taken effective control at Liverpool now and it can't be long before the same happens at the swamp.

Red Knights will be first in line for a fire sale and probably the most "fit and proper" too.

The new rules on finances appear to favour them as well, so a lack of investment funds may not be an issue as owners like ours may have to stop pouring money in or accept they don't qualify for the Champion's League.
I'm still unconvinced that this can or will apply mind.

The problem with the Red Knights is that they are a consortium of blokes with big wallets and even bigger egos. They'll be fighting like cats and dogs within a year.


Gillett and Hicks but 3 times as bad.


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Sad story. I think I'd actually start supporting the new team instead then.

What the hell was that shit about lasers anyway?


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Our Tommy wrote:
I suspect it will end up the "Red Knights" once the banks force the Glazier's to sell. Can't see them backing the Scum the same way our owner's have backed us.


Do you think they would re locate them to London?

London Red Knights has a ring to it!

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Do you think they would re locate them to London?

London Red Knights has a ring to it!


Or Reds of Knightsbridge. :cool:


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