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Author:  JackTheBlue [ Sun Sep 27, 2009 1:38 am ]
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Micahrichardsatemybaby wrote:
I'll just pop you on the list of forum racists, Jack. There.


:( I don't consider myself racist at all. But that is true what I said. The harsh truth.

Author:  gibbonicus_andronicus [ Sun Sep 27, 2009 1:41 am ]
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the false truth, or paranoia

Author:  Micahrichardsatemybaby [ Sun Sep 27, 2009 1:45 am ]
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JackTheBlue wrote:
:( I don't consider myself racist at all. But that is true what I said. The harsh truth.


White people are the most privileged and powerful group in the world though. Why would action against them go unpunished?

I don't see how you'd quantify that statement

Author:  DarloBlue [ Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:00 am ]
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JackTheBlue wrote:
Everyone who isn't white is exempt from getting charged for racism. FACT.


I'm with MRAMB on this - your statement is way off the mark. For one, I would only need to find one example of a non-caucasian being charged for a race-related crime to disprove your 'FACT' (Abu Hamza).

That's the factual element of your statement disproved, as for the general sentiment: simple fact is that white people are in the majority in this country and significantly so. With such a majority, it would be difficult for any racist slur to carry any sort of threat, the main problem with racist remarks (in regards to leading to charges) is the threat that is implied in the remark - there was no real threat implied by Diouf calling the lad 'white boy' - it is undoubtedly a racist comment, but nothing is gonna come of it. The amount of people who laid into Diouf afterwards, I'd imagine a significant amount of them would have made comments such as 'he only got away with it because he was black' - this is as equally racist a comment, and saying 'well he was racist to that kid' isn't a legitimate excuse for coming out with such remarks. If Diouf was surrounded by a gang of fellow black players, and had the ball-boy pinned into a corner, then possibly there is reason for real charges - similarly if he goes to a street corner after training and preaches about militant style black power, again we could legitimately feel morally outraged (if that's your point of view). What Diouf did really shouldn't even figure on the police's radar, much like van Persie telling the City fans to f*ck off also shouldn't. If every offensive comment led to charges, then everyone would find themselves with a record. It's the offensive comments that carry some sort of threat that are the ones that should be dealt with more harshly, Diouf's comment carried no such threat.

Author:  JackTheBlue [ Sun Sep 27, 2009 11:24 am ]
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DarloBlue wrote:
I'm with MRAMB on this - your statement is way off the mark. For one, I would only need to find one example of a non-caucasian being charged for a race-related crime to disprove your 'FACT' (Abu Hamza).

That's the factual element of your statement disproved, as for the general sentiment: simple fact is that white people are in the majority in this country and significantly so. With such a majority, it would be difficult for any racist slur to carry any sort of threat, the main problem with racist remarks (in regards to leading to charges) is the threat that is implied in the remark - there was no real threat implied by Diouf calling the lad 'white boy' - it is undoubtedly a racist comment, but nothing is gonna come of it. The amount of people who laid into Diouf afterwards, I'd imagine a significant amount of them would have made comments such as 'he only got away with it because he was black' - this is as equally racist a comment, and saying 'well he was racist to that kid' isn't a legitimate excuse for coming out with such remarks. If Diouf was surrounded by a gang of fellow black players, and had the ball-boy pinned into a corner, then possibly there is reason for real charges - similarly if he goes to a street corner after training and preaches about militant style black power, again we could legitimately feel morally outraged (if that's your point of view). What Diouf did really shouldn't even figure on the police's radar, much like van Persie telling the City fans to f*ck off also shouldn't. If every offensive comment led to charges, then everyone would find themselves with a record. It's the offensive comments that carry some sort of threat that are the ones that should be dealt with more harshly, Diouf's comment carried no such threat.



Fair point. But just one question. Let's say I was a football player and said 'fuck you black boy' to a black ball boy. Everything in the same context except the race reversed. I would go uncharged too?

Author:  Gallagheresque [ Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:54 am ]
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Former Liverpool, Bolton and Blackburn star El Hadji Diouf was reportedly among six men arrested in the early hours of Sunday morning after a nightclub brawl which left a man seriously hurt.

The Doncaster Rovers striker was arrested on suspicion of violent disorder at the Circle Club, a Manchester club, and is thought to be among five who have been bailed until May 23.

QPR's Anton Ferdinand is understood to have been interviewed under police caution in relation to the same alleged incident, but not arrested.

A 33-year-old man, who reportedly suffered injuries to his face and neck, is seriously ill but stable in hospital, said a Greater Manchester Police spokesman.

The alleged incident took place at 3.40am on Sunday in the Circle Club. The injured man was found close to the Barton Arcade club.

A Police statement said: "Six men were arrested on suspicion of violent disorder, five of whom have been bailed until 23 May pending further police inquiries. Another man has assisted the investigation, which is ongoing."

Diouf, 31, who appeared for Senegal in the 2002 World Cup, did not play in Doncaster's 4-3 defeat by Portsmouth on Saturday, which saw them relegated from the Championship.

Ferdinand, 27, who was a team-mate of Diouf's at Sunderland and is the brother of Manchester United and England defender Rio Ferdinand, played in his club's 1-0 defeat at West Bromwich Albion on the same day.

A witness told the Manchester Evening News that tensions had been high between two groups in the nightclub, which was also hosting stars of TV show Geordie Shore. Trouble is thought to have spilled outside of the club and onto nearby Deansgate where blood stains remained on the pavement yesterday.

Police are investigating whether a bottle was used in the attack.

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