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 Post subject: Re: World Cup 2014
PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:31 pm 
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As far as I'm aware Messi hasn't been running round claiming he's better than Pele and Maradonna, I don't know why he's getting so much grief. It's down to opinion at the end of the day. People that say you have to do it in a World Cup - well Messi has to an extend, he single-handedly dragged Argentina to the knock out phase and then had a couple of quite games. So you're saying to be the best player you have to be judged on 2 games. Maradonna did it (although he cheated to get through to the second game) in a team that was no worse than this Argentina team IMO. Certainly the opposition and defensive tactics weren't the same as Messi had to contend with. Pele did it in an amazing Brazil team, and never played club football outside of a pretty amateurish Brazilian league. Personally I rate Messi over either of them, but if he's only behind those two that still makes him one of the all time greats.


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 Post subject: Re: World Cup 2014
PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:18 pm 
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As far as I'm aware Messi hasn't been running round claiming he's better than Pele and Maradonna, I don't know why he's getting so much grief. It's down to opinion at the end of the day. People that say you have to do it in a World Cup - well Messi has to an extend, he single-handedly dragged Argentina to the knock out phase and then had a couple of quite games. So you're saying to be the best player you have to be judged on 2 games. Maradonna did it (although he cheated to get through to the second game) in a team that was no worse than this Argentina team IMO. Certainly the opposition and defensive tactics weren't the same as Messi had to contend with. Pele did it in an amazing Brazil team, and never played club football outside of a pretty amateurish Brazilian league. Personally I rate Messi over either of them, but if he's only behind those two that still makes him one of the all time greats.




If the only evidence of judging a player on how great he will ever be is of winning world cups then there would be only 2 players who were that much influential then anyone else so we can forget about the Cruyffs, DiStefanos and Puskas because they never won a world cup but then how much does club level count and other tournaments? I think the Champions league is as equivalent as a world cup but Messi will always be judged, no matter what, for not winning a world cup. We can also ask how many Champions did Pele or Maradona win or even Ballon D'Or. Times have changed where being a Maradona/Pele type is difficult though there are 2 who could challenge. Messi's final shot happens in Russia. Meanwhile great match Zabs and Demichellis as for Kun....well he never got going


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 Post subject: Re: World Cup 2014
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The "VVIP guest list" for the World Cup final included film stars Daniel Craig and Ashton Kutcher, Russian President Vladimir Putin and his Gabon counterpart Ali Bongo, basketball star LeBron James - and former Leeds midfielder Olivier Dacourt. Guardian

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