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DarloBlue wrote:

Bert Trautmanns neck brace wrote:

By definition a deliberate foul must imply violent conduct.

No it mustn't. 'Violence' is defined as 'behaviour involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something' - it requires an intention to do damage. Bringing a player down with the intention of preventing him from going through on goal is not 'violent' as there is no intention to do damage to the actual player. Whilst damage may occur, it is the intention to do damage which separates 'violent conduct' from other offences; a reckless two-footed challenge with studs showing, for example, is not a case of 'violent conduct' but of 'serious foul play'.

Which makes contact can only do damage , therefore surely the fact that the player presents his studs in a 2 footed tackle implies that he knows what he is doing and therefore must have malice aforethought by knowing that he is going to hurt some one . The degree of hurt is irrelevant .

Sliced bread overrated imo.. :whistle:

ThunderinScitters wrote:

Sliced bread overrated imo.. :whistle:

Totes. Bread is the amazing invention. Food for the masses, probably stopped the human race going extinct. Some fucker comes along and slices it and that's what goes down as the greatest thing of all time. If I'd invented bread I'd be livid.

Seeing as you are all so clever, what was the best thing before sliced bread?

When (if) we beat Blackburn we'll play Bristol City or Watford at home.

Good draw.

This Cup is starting to lose it's appeal now by the sounds of it with Lambert more interested in staying in the PL than the FA cup along with West Ham.

Would it be too far of a stretch to say the winners of the FA cup get into the CL????

Give it a load more appeal.

Swansea's win was their first ever at Old Trafford after two draws and eight defeats in their previous 10 visits.

As someone nearby pointed out, David Moyes' United keeps making history at Old Trafford. The only thing is that is for the opposing teams.

Author:	ThunderinScitters [ Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:07 am ]
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But a shirt pull is also a deliberaate foul, but no way could you say it could it is violent.. or perhaps a hand-ball?

Author:	KickerConspiracy [ Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:11 am ]
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Can't stop laughing at the way catflap and the spuds got knocked out.. Fantastic.

Author:	DarloBlue [ Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:25 am ]
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Bert Trautmanns neck brace wrote: DarloBlue wrote: Bert Trautmanns neck brace wrote: By definition a deliberate foul must imply violent conduct. No it mustn't. 'Violence' is defined as 'behaviour involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something' - it requires an intention to do damage. Bringing a player down with the intention of preventing him from going through on goal is not 'violent' as there is no intention to do damage to the actual player. Whilst damage may occur, it is the intention to do damage which separates 'violent conduct' from other offences; a reckless two-footed challenge with studs showing, for example, is not a case of 'violent conduct' but of 'serious foul play'. Which makes contact can only do damage , therefore surely the fact that the player presents his studs in a 2 footed tackle implies that he knows what he is doing and therefore must have malice aforethought by knowing that he is going to hurt some one . The degree of hurt is irrelevant . No because you can make such a challenge whilst going for the ball - if you miss the ball but hit the player you may hurt them, but you did not necessarily aim to do so as you were going for the ball, not the player. 'Violent conduct' requires intention to do damage, not a reckless disregard for any potential damage that may occur if you mistime your tackle. As ThunderinScitters mentions, a shirt pull is a foul that is usually done deliberately; the intention is to stop the player, not to do him any damage and so it fairly obviously falls outside the remit of 'violent conduct'.

Author:	BiscuitBlueCheese [ Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:07 pm ]
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Bert sorry you're just wrong by the way the laws of the game are applied today.

Author:	Bert Trautmanns neck brace [ Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:41 pm ]
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Applied not written.

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Author:	Squidge [ Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:45 pm ]
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Definitely wrong. No case for a red card for Cech at all imo.

Author:	South East Citizen [ Mon Apr 16, 2012 3:45 pm ]
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ThunderinScitters wrote: Sliced bread overrated imo.. Totes. Bread is the amazing invention. Food for the masses, probably stopped the human race going extinct. Some fucker comes along and slices it and that's what goes down as the greatest thing of all time. If I'd invented bread I'd be livid.

Author:	gibbonicus_andronicus [ Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:55 pm ]
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Bert Trautmanns neck brace wrote: Seeing as you are all so clever, what was the best thing before sliced bread? sex with sheep. be very grateful for sliced bread.

Author:	Gallagheresque [ Sat Dec 07, 2013 6:50 pm ]
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3rd round draw tomorrow at 4pm. Number 25 we are.

Author:	Gallagheresque [ Sun Dec 08, 2013 4:33 pm ]
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Bournemouth v Fleetwood or Burton Derby v Chelsea Ipswich v Preston Grimsby v Huddersfield Birmingham v Bristol Rovers or Crawley Arsenal v Tottenham Brighton v Reading Everton v QPR Blackburn v Manchester City Bolton v Blackpool Sunderland v Carlisle Macclesfield v Sheffield Wednesday Aston Villa v Sheffield United Norwich v Fulham Port Vale v Plymouth Manchester United v Swansea Charlton v Wrexham or Oxford Wigan v MK Dons Rochdale v Leeds Newcastle v Cardiff Southampton v Burnley Stoke v Leicester Doncaster v Stevenage Kidderminster v Peterborough West Brom v Crystal Palace Middlesbrough v Hull Southend v Millwall Bristol City v Watford Nottingham Forest v West Ham Liverpool v Oldham or Mansfield Yeovil v Leyton Orient Barnsley v Hartlepool or Coventry

Author:	Gallagheresque [ Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:17 pm ]
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This Cup is starting to lose it's appeal now by the sounds of it with Lambert more interested in staying in the PL than the FA cup along with West Ham. Would it be too far of a stretch to say the winners of the FA cup get into the CL???? Give it a load more appeal.

Author:	O Blue [ Sun Jan 05, 2014 2:33 pm ]
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When (if) we beat Blackburn we'll play Bristol City or Watford at home. Good draw.

Author:	kippax_in_my_blood [ Sun Jan 05, 2014 3:25 pm ]
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O Blue wrote: When (if) we beat Blackburn we'll play Bristol City or Watford at home. Good draw. yeah, not bad that. im sure we can beat blackburn at home, and another home draw is good at this stage.

Author:	Winston_Smith [ Sun Jan 05, 2014 5:21 pm ]
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Gallagheresque wrote: This Cup is starting to lose it's appeal now by the sounds of it with Lambert more interested in staying in the PL than the FA cup along with West Ham. Would it be too far of a stretch to say the winners of the FA cup get into the CL???? Give it a load more appeal. Nah

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Author:	Gallagheresque [ Sun Jan 05, 2014 6:30 pm ]
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not a bad weekend as it turns out He ain't hanging about.

Author:	South East Citizen [ Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:00 pm ]
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Enjoyed this quote from the beeb Quote: Swansea's win was their first ever at Old Trafford after two draws and eight defeats in their previous 10 visits. As someone nearby pointed out, David Moyes' United keeps making history at Old Trafford. The only thing is that is for the opposing teams.

Author:	Jesus O'Nazareth [ Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:32 pm ]
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