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Author:  Danny's Studs [ Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:23 pm ]
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yeah, it's not a set mode though, it denotes a step in a scale. So to start in Cmajor you'd have:

C Ionian (play the C to the C)
D Dorian (play the D to the D in the key of C ie no sharps or flats)
E Phrygian
F Lydian
G Mixolydian
A Aeolian
B Locrian


Start the thread!


So, to clarify, under the correct chord progression I wanted to solo in C Mixolydian I would play the notes of a G Major scale?

Or do I have that exactly in reverse? In a G chord progression, wanting to play Mixolydian, I play the notes of a C Major scale?

Thanks.
Author:  hogeymack [ Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:23 pm ]
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im enjoying this thread already
Author:  Winston_Smith [ Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:34 pm ]
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Danny's Studs wrote:
So, to clarify, under the correct chord progression I wanted to solo in C Mixolydian I would play the notes of a G Major scale?

Or do I have that exactly in reverse? In a G chord progression, wanting to play Mixolydian, I play the notes of a C Major scale?

Thanks.


Yeah the second one:whistle:
Author:  cooder [ Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:29 pm ]
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It varies, as a rule of thumb the first chord you play is the key it's in. If you play a G chord progression, you'll probably play D, which has an F# which is not in the key of C. The modes just denote the same notes in a scale but a different start point and end point. If you've got a G chord progression and wanted to play the mixolydian scale over it, you'd play D mixolydian (D, E, F#, G, A, B, C, D).

Ideally you want to play a scale over the chord, so if the progression was G Eminor D. You'd Ideally play Gionian, E Aeolian, D mixolydian. That's the very basic theory. A lot of rock music uses the minor pentatonic scale. You should look that up. And nothing is better for scales than learning CAGED. I'm on my phone or I'd explain it. Google it tho, it's awesome
Author:  Bastard [ Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:06 pm ]
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Cooder's on it. Learning the names of the modes is a bit of a waste of time imo. You're better just getting an idea of which scales/modes you want to be playing over which chords, instead of getting bogged down in the theory side. There's some good Youtube tutorials that lead you through it.
Author:  Bastard [ Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:09 pm ]
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Ask Joe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTQolymKmDA
Author:  Danny's Studs [ Fri Aug 07, 2009 10:53 am ]
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Bastard wrote:
Cooder's on it. Learning the names of the modes is a bit of a waste of time imo. You're better just getting an idea of which scales/modes you want to be playing over which chords, instead of getting bogged down in the theory side. There's some good Youtube tutorials that lead you through it.


That's a very handy link to Joe, ta.

Not necessarily, I used to know them all, having just bought a guitar again I am re-learning my theory, brushing up if you like. I am woodshedding it as we speak. :p
Author:  Benny [ Fri Aug 07, 2009 10:58 am ]
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I don't like this. I'd like to think I know a little bit about most things in life, it's certainly a goal to be able to have a half decent discussion on most topics, but this thread may as well be in Chinese. :(
Author:  Danny's Studs [ Fri Aug 07, 2009 11:11 am ]
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Benny wrote:
I don't like this. I'd like to think I know a little bit about most things in life, it's certainly a goal to be able to have a half decent discussion on most topics, but this thread may as well be in Chinese. :(


Benny, let me get you involved. Firstly, music theory is but maths and science. FACTO. The creative part of it aside, it is purely formulaic.

Put simply, Western music theory generally divides the octave into a series of 12 notes. This series of twelve notes is called a 'chromatic scale'. In the chromatic scale, each note is called a half-step or semitone. Patterns of half and whole steps (2 half steps, or a tone) can make up a scale in that octave.

Helping yet?
Author:  Milnerinho [ Fri Aug 07, 2009 11:39 am ]
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Danny's Studs wrote:
Benny, let me get you involved. Firstly, music theory is but maths and science. FACTO. The creative part of it aside, it is purely formulaic.

Put simply, Western music theory generally divides the octave into a series of 12 notes. This series of twelve notes is called a 'chromatic scale'. In the chromatic scale, each note is called a half-step or semitone. Patterns of half and whole steps (2 half steps, or a tone) can make up a scale in that octave.

Helping yet?


surely there are 13 rather than 12, if you didn't resolve the scale it would be like permanently being on the point of orgasm?
Author:  Danny's Studs [ Fri Aug 07, 2009 11:45 am ]
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Irelandiniho wrote:
surely there are 13 rather than 12, if you didn't resolve the scale it would be like permanently being on the point of orgasm?



It's the octave innit. Same note an octave higher. I hear what you are saying, an unresolved lick aint worth shit.
Author:  cooder [ Fri Aug 07, 2009 1:28 pm ]
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was really happy to find out what the major minor chord was. Dead simple, major 7 minor 3rd. Always thought it was odd and it pickled em
Author:  Bastard [ Fri Aug 07, 2009 1:40 pm ]
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I did grade 6 music theory when I learnt piano. Never put any of it into use playing guitar, although I can't play guitar for shit.

Downtune your bottom string to D and thrash the fuck out of it. That's how to play guitar.
Author:  Danny's Studs [ Fri Aug 07, 2009 1:42 pm ]
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Bastard wrote:
I did grade 6 music theory when I learnt piano. Never put any of it into use playing guitar, although I can't play guitar for shit.

Downtune your bottom string to D and thrash the fuck out of it. That's how to play guitar.


I have to say there is a lot of merit to this, also frees up fingers for extra hammer on and pull off action. :D
Author:  cooder [ Fri Aug 07, 2009 2:31 pm ]
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Danny's Studs wrote:
I have to say there is a lot of merit to this, also frees up fingers for extra hammer on and pull off action. :D


can get a bit droney though. Good for the bend on the third fret. Proper bluesy.

The version of Feeling Good I did had a drop D. Play a G minor (g,b,e fretted on third fret) and then walk the bass down:

E --------5-------5-3---------3-1----------3-0--------------------------5
A --------x------------------------------------------------5------5-------
D --------5-------5-3---------3-1----------3-0---------3-----3------3--5

and so on, roughly like that anyway
Author:  Danny's Studs [ Fri Aug 07, 2009 2:34 pm ]
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Third string should be D but I get you. What song is this? nice tab work by the way.
Author:  cooder [ Fri Aug 07, 2009 2:50 pm ]
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Danny's Studs wrote:
Third string should be D but I get you. What song is this? nice tab work by the way.


Feeling Good by Nina Simone

As I said, just peddle it round the g,b & e fretted on the third fret (requires a finger change as you descend the bass). Then just C minor7 and D (7 if you want to)
Author:  Danny's Studs [ Fri Aug 07, 2009 2:52 pm ]
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You listen to any rock/metal Cooder-piece?
Author:  cooder [ Fri Aug 07, 2009 2:53 pm ]
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danny's studs wrote:
you listen to any rock/metal cooder-piece?


???
Author:  Danny's Studs [ Fri Aug 07, 2009 2:57 pm ]
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Cod-piece probably works better.
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