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I have decided that Mrs thatcher got in in 1979 because people would have been mad to vote for Callaghan because of the state he had got the country into.
Most of you will be too young to remember the state of the country then, but it is considerably worse now and people would have to be madder still to vote for Brown.

Caught this on iplayer last night, was very good.
Seems to me her only real mistake was the poll tax, i'm too young to remember, how much was it? was it more than the massive £140 pcm i pay to get 2 bags of rubbish collected from my flat once a week?

i got taken on the demo marches in manchester by my brother. great day out that.
think it was more the fact it existed full stop, not a clue how much it was tal ben.

how much? it varied a bit, but students and the like were still expected to stump up 50% of the charge or face court and possibly prison. in some areas it meant the lord of a large country house paying almost the same, or even less than some in run down city areas.

as for her only real mistake, you're having a laugh there.

Ahh so it was more unfair than expensive? i still have to pay my council tax and im on the dole, it accounts for about 30% of our income at the minute.
Maggie is god, as i said, i'm from "royal berkshire" (tory heartland):D The only other thing you could blame her for is joining ERM, but she was talked into that by others

Explain.
I was 8 when she left office btw:D

From the start she was shit. She continued with a Monetarist policy well beyond it's usefulness, which resulted in increased unemployment. Even Milton Friedman has stated that her use of monetarist policies went beyond their timespan.
Monetarist policies had been enforced upon the UK and the Labour government prior to Thatcher, but take3-4 years to take effect. Thatcher continued the policies.
She broke most of British industry by such policies, left pensions unprotected and open to abuse, sold of nationalised industries for a pittance.....

Portillo didn't mention any of that:rolleyes:

well he wouldn't would he?
:rolleyes:

you can't trust any politician, no matter their flag.

This is agree with^^
Still think Thatcher was best peace time PM

Yet again, you are wrong:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clement_Attlee

And just to prove how shit the elections are fought in the UK:
Labour lost the general election of 1951 to Churchill's renewed Conservatives, despite polling more votes than in the 1945 election and indeed more votes nationwide than the Conservative Party. And indeed, the most votes Labour had ever won.

Yes, i believe the odds are now on labours side at elections due to new constituencies, boundary changes being predominantly in Labour areas.
Atlee gave up most of our empire, and worse of all, was Labour:D

This is agree with^^
Still think Thatcher was best peace time PM

Author:	davepat123 [ Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:13 pm ]
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I'd be disgraced if this hasnt been done already... http://www.givemefootball.com/player-profiles/ben-thatcher

Author:	Bert Trautmanns neck brace [ Sat Feb 28, 2009 4:14 pm ]
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I have decided that Mrs thatcher got in in 1979 because people would have been mad to vote for Callaghan because of the state he had got the country into. Most of you will be too young to remember the state of the country then, but it is considerably worse now and people would have to be madder still to vote for Brown.

Author:	Frank Blue [ Sat Feb 28, 2009 4:42 pm ]
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Bert Trautmanns neck brace wrote: I have decided that Mrs thatcher got in in 1979 because people would have been mad to vote for Callaghan because of the state he had got the country into. Most of you will be too young to remember the state of the country then, but it is considerably worse now and people would have to be madder still to vote for Brown. The country by that time had started to recover. However, had it not been for the Falklands conflict, she may have been out on her arse. Perhaps, as was Foot or Kinnock really viable? The number of video cameras on British streets even shocks the Germans. And they should know a thing or two about having a 'police' state.

Author:	Winston_Smith [ Sun Mar 01, 2009 1:34 pm ]
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Caught this on iplayer last night, was very good. Seems to me her only real mistake was the poll tax, i'm too young to remember, how much was it? was it more than the massive £140 pcm i pay to get 2 bags of rubbish collected from my flat once a week?

Author:	gibbonicus_andronicus [ Mon Mar 02, 2009 9:59 am ]
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EalingBlue wrote: Caught this on iplayer last night, was very good. Seems to me her only real mistake was the poll tax, i'm too young to remember, how much was it? was it more than the massive £140 pcm i pay to get 2 bags of rubbish collected from my flat once a week? i got taken on the demo marches in manchester by my brother. great day out that. think it was more the fact it existed full stop, not a clue how much it was tal ben.

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Author:	Winston_Smith [ Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:59 am ]
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gibbonicus_andronicus wrote: i got taken on the demo marches in manchester by my brother. great day out that. think it was more the fact it existed full stop, not a clue how much it was tal ben. I was living in the home counties then so i missed out on any demos, don't get much rioting in rural berkshire:D

Author:	Frank Blue [ Mon Mar 02, 2009 11:05 am ]
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EalingBlue wrote: Caught this on iplayer last night, was very good. Seems to me her only real mistake was the poll tax, i'm too young to remember, how much was it? was it more than the massive £140 pcm i pay to get 2 bags of rubbish collected from my flat once a week? how much? it varied a bit, but students and the like were still expected to stump up 50% of the charge or face court and possibly prison. in some areas it meant the lord of a large country house paying almost the same, or even less than some in run down city areas. as for her only real mistake, you're having a laugh there.

Author:	Winston_Smith [ Mon Mar 02, 2009 11:11 am ]
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Frank Blue wrote: how much? it varied a bit, but students and the like were still expected to stump up 50% of the charge or face court and possibly prison. in some areas it meant the lord of a large country house paying almost the same, or even less than some in run down city areas. as for her only real mistake, you're having a laugh there. Ahh so it was more unfair than expensive? i still have to pay my council tax and im on the dole, it accounts for about 30% of our income at the minute. Maggie is god, as i said, i'm from "royal berkshire" (tory heartland):D The only other thing you could blame her for is joining ERM, but she was talked into that by others

Author:	Frank Blue [ Mon Mar 02, 2009 11:12 am ]
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EalingBlue wrote: Ahh so it was more unfair than expensive? i still have to pay my council tax and im on the dole, it accounts for about 30% of our income at the minute. Maggie is god, as i said, i'm from "royal berkshire" (tory heartland):D The only other thing you could blame her for is joining ERM, but she was talked into that by others clueless.

Author:	Frank Blue [ Mon Mar 02, 2009 11:19 am ]
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EalingBlue wrote: Explain. I was 8 when she left office btw:D From the start she was shit. She continued with a Monetarist policy well beyond it's usefulness, which resulted in increased unemployment. Even Milton Friedman has stated that her use of monetarist policies went beyond their timespan. Monetarist policies had been enforced upon the UK and the Labour government prior to Thatcher, but take3-4 years to take effect. Thatcher continued the policies. She broke most of British industry by such policies, left pensions unprotected and open to abuse, sold of nationalised industries for a pittance.....

Author:	Frank Blue [ Mon Mar 02, 2009 11:28 am ]
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EalingBlue wrote: Portillo didn't mention any of that:rolleyes: well he wouldn't would he? you can't trust any politician, no matter their flag.

Author:	Frank Blue [ Mon Mar 02, 2009 11:36 am ]
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EalingBlue wrote: This is agree with^^ Still think Thatcher was best peace time PM Yet again, you are wrong: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clement_Attlee And just to prove how shit the elections are fought in the UK: Labour lost the general election of 1951 to Churchill's renewed Conservatives, despite polling more votes than in the 1945 election and indeed more votes nationwide than the Conservative Party. And indeed, the most votes Labour had ever won.

Author:	Frank Blue [ Mon Mar 02, 2009 11:41 am ]
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EalingBlue wrote: Yes, i believe the odds are now on labours side at elections due to new constituencies, boundary changes being predominantly in Labour areas. Atlee gave up most of our empire, and worse of all, was Labour:D the Empire was finished by 1918. the cracks were already there. he didn't give it up, it was already going.

Author:	KickerConspiracy [ Mon Mar 02, 2009 2:09 pm ]
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EalingBlue wrote: This is agree with^^ Still think Thatcher was best peace time PM You obviously didn't have to work whilst she was in power. Fucking hate Thatcher. EB?

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Author:	Bert Trautmanns neck brace [ Mon Mar 02, 2009 4:55 pm ]
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The poll tax was a rate per person not per property, which was good for single people but not for large families of adults.

Author:	save me jeebus [ Mon Mar 02, 2009 6:22 pm ]
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What pisses me of is the way the media now try to put a spin on the early Thatcher years by showing clips of "yuppies" in the city on their brick sized mobile phones and drinking champagne, like it was just the best time ever. The truth is the country was polarised between north and south. The south doing relatively ok(with the city doing even better) and the north that was being decimated. You could argue that the problems we are facing now are related to an arrogance within the city that was nurtured in the Thatcher years.