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It was a great programme. I really like Portillo's documentaries.

However, I'll still put him up against the wall to face a firing squad come the revolution.

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It was a great programme. I really like Portillo's documentaries.

However, I'll still put him up against the wall to face a firing squad come the revolution.


Exactly, love her or hate her, you'd be hard pressed to find a more interesting TV show.

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Exactly, love her or hate her, you'd be hard pressed to find a more interesting TV show.


You ever seen the 4 part documentary, "The Mayfair Set"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mayfair_Set

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And what's wrong with right-wing politics?

Right-wing >>>> Socialism. Every time.

Portillo's probably one of the best political commentators on TV. I like him more and more every time I see him.

It wasn't really him going on about Thatcher either, but if you want to jump to uninformed conclusions I won't judge you. ;)


in application maybe, but that's because any potentially left wing governments have simply fucked up, or turned into corporate shills when they got in power, ala blair. in principle socialism wins hands down.
and he may make watchable tv, but people said that about jade goody. neither of whom would make it onto the last lifeboat.

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in application maybe, but that's because any potentially left wing governments have simply fucked up, or turned into corporate shills when they got in power, ala blair. in principle socialism wins hands down.
and he may make watchable tv, but people said that about jade goody. neither of whom would make it onto the last lifeboat.


So basically you're saying socialism works in theory, and right wing politics in application? i know which one i go for;)

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So basically you're saying socialism works in theory, and right wing politics in application? i know which one i go for;)


no i'm saying maybe, i have no direct experience of a socialist government so i can't say that it works. it should.
on reflection actually i'd more say right wing doesn't, if you take into account that the past 13 years haven't been a socialist government and have seen the rail services privatised to disasterous effect (if you have to pay more for a shittier service), the post office fucked, the financial sector running themselves unfettered and into the deepest recession since 1929, the nhs facing the spectre of privatisation, an unwinnable war entered into... thatcher laid a foundation for people fucking each other over for their own sake and for the two main partys (or is it parties?) to basically become clones of each other. so no, i'll amend my statement - rightwing doesn't work in practice.
blair had the opportunity and the majority to make the required unpopular decisions and he didn't, he was a pussy and he didn't do what he could've done and what needed to be done. he would've been able to push through the required taxation hikes to improve health service, to keep the rail networks nationalised and all the rest.

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Parties. it is probably a pity that John Smith died.

The only solution, unworkable as it would be, is to have a government composed of the best politicians.

People like Clark and Benn and Hague and Cable.

Good idea but no chance.

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I'd like to see Boris Johnson as PM
Best Mayor Ever:D

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Parties. it is probably a pity that John Smith died.

The only solution, unworkable as it would be, is to have a government composed of the best politicians.

People like Clark and Benn and Hague and Cable.

Good idea but no chance.


absolutely. i think he had the makings of being a truly fantastic prime minister.
and bert, do you mean politicians putting aside personal agenda and serving their country to the best of their ability? my, what a novel idea!

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I'd like to see Boris Johnson as PM
Best Mayor Ever:D


EB, i am taking a contract out on you right this minute. johnson is a fucking oaf, but unfortunately not as bumbling, idiotic or cuddly as he appears.

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I think a lot of the problem comes from the politicians themselves. For the most part they are power hungry, egotistical, self serving twunts. This makes them short-sighted, narrow minded and desparate for approval rather than making tough, long-term decisions based on what is good their particular country.
In short if you want to be a politician you shouldn't be allowed to be.

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EB, i am taking a contract out on you right this minute. johnson is a fucking oaf, but unfortunately not as bumbling, idiotic or cuddly as he appears.


He's anything but an oaf, i wouldn't put the tory party leadership past him at some point.
He got my approval for immediately hounding Sir Ian "The PC, PC" Blair out of office (even though he had no power to do so), best thing to happen to london for years. Still hasn't got rid of the bendy buses as promised though:rolleyes:

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I think a lot of the problem comes from the politicians themselves. For the most part they are power hungry, egotistical, self serving twunts. This makes them short-sighted, narrow minded and desparate for approval rather than making tough, long-term decisions based on what is good their particular country.
In short if you want to be a politician you shouldn't be allowed to be.


spot on.

those that crave power for it's own sake should be kept as far away from it as possible. there are proably a few that want to be in charge to make it better for others, but at a guess that's rare. people tend not to do the right thing because it is right, but because it makes them look good, increases good reputation, pays better... whatever.
plato or aristotle (i gets confused) put forward the idea of "guardians", a senate made up of people that were essentially ruling class/caste/whatever and were educated from day one to be in charge of the city for the sake of serving the city and its occupants, not to get any gain from it themselves, the original benevolent dictators.

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He's anything but an oaf, i wouldn't put the tory party leadership past him at some point.
He got my approval for immediately hounding Sir Ian "The PC, PC" Blair out of office (even though he had no power to do so), best thing to happen to london for years. Still hasn't got rid of the bendy buses as promised though:rolleyes:


abuse of position, for starters, so far outside his remit that he politicises the appointment of the met's top cop. i mean fer fucks sake...
and no he isn't an oaf, he just presents himself that way so he is not as dangerous, odious or threatening. i'm just anticipating him fucking things up royally. it will come. :8ball:

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abuse of position, for starters, so far outside his remit that he politicises the appointment of the met's top cop. i mean fer fucks sake...
and no he isn't an oaf, he just presents himself that way so he is not as dangerous, odious or threatening. i'm just anticipating him fucking things up royally. it will come. :8ball:


There was never a more politicised Met commisioner than Blair, he allowed police vehicle to carry vote labour stickers FFS! The appointment of a new commissioner is politicised anyway because final say lies with the home secretary. What Boris did was in the interest of Londoners who were sick of the tosser (imo) hence no meaningful outcry.

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he may have been politically active, which is potentially contrary to his position (i don't know for sure, not sure of the regulations) but sacking him because of his political alleigance (amongst other reasons) is pretty far from correct. allowing is also far from telling officers that they had to, and i imagine some cars carried vote conservative, or even bnp (ha!), stickers?
so it's the home secretary who appoints what is meant to be the best candidate. not the mayor who is responisble for the appointment or dismissal. Londoners don't appoint him either so what they think has fuck all weight in the matter anyway. what boris did was a shallow PR exercise to curry favour. and probably illegal, considering who it is that appoints the met chief, but it would be more politically damaging to take him to task for it than it is worth, as it would appear, whether rightly or not, that issue was only being taken with it because he is a tory bullingdon club scumbag.

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he may have been politically active, which is potentially contrary to his position (i don't know for sure, not sure of the regulations) but sacking him because of his political alleigance (amongst other reasons) is pretty far from correct. allowing is also far from telling officers that they had to, and i imagine some cars carried vote conservative, or even bnp (ha!), stickers?
so it's the home secretary who appoints what is meant to be the best candidate. not the mayor who is responisble for the appointment or dismissal. Londoners don't appoint him either so what they think has fuck all weight in the matter anyway. what boris did was a shallow PR exercise to curry favour. and probably illegal, considering who it is that appoints the met chief, but it would be more politically damaging to take him to task for it than it is worth, as it would appear, whether rightly or not, that issue was only being taken with it because he is a tory bullingdon club scumbag.


its not illegal because he suggested he stand down rather than sack him. It wasn't because of his political persuasion, more that he was a bumbling idiot, (shooting brazilians etc).
I'm pretty sure you must be non-partisan when in his position, i'm sure i read somewhere that being in the police forbids you from having membership of a political party.

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its not illegal because he suggested he stand down rather than sack him. It wasn't because of his political persuasion, more that he was a bumbling idiot, (shooting brazilians etc).
I'm pretty sure you must be non-partisan when in his position, i'm sure i read somewhere that being in the police forbids you from having membership of a political party.


which is a fair summation, but still not the forelocked fuckwits place to suggest it. in fact it's almost like cannibalism, one bumbling fuckwit to another...
the membership of a political party is only, as far as i am aware, relevant if the political party espouses policy which is in direct conflict with the forces' standing on equal opportunity and racial equality. as in the bnp member list and the suspension of officers who were on it.

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which is a far summation, but still not the forelocked fuckwits place to suggest it.
the membership of a political party is only, as far as i am aware, relevant if the political party espouses policy which is in direct conflict with the forces' standing on equal opportunity and racial equality. as in the bnp member list and the suspension of officers who were on it.


Yuck, wooly liberalism, bloody guardianistas etc etc
Thats gone to far and become inverted imo. White middle class is the new black in terms of equality.

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The conundrum with voting is that you shouldn't vote as it encourages the politicians , but, on the other hand, if you don't vote you can't complain.

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The conundrum with voting is that you shouldn't vote as it encourages the politicians , but, on the other hand, if you don't vote you can't complain.


I will vote tory just to get labour out, hopefully once in power they will stop trying to be blairite woolies on the centre ground and show their true colours. I tore up my party membership because of this swing to the left.

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